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na naudojau RIOBI rites ne viena sezona :bounce: ir geros jos man buvo,kol nenusipirkau geresniu...siaip gerai pagalvojus uz tokia kaina kaip jos dabar kainuoja :scratch: geriau truputi dadejus ultegras parsisiust...


2009-12-08 14:05
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Užsiregistravo: 2009-11-24 12:31
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Reikia pagalbos. Gal kas turit Okuma Distance Carp, Distance Carp Pro, Max4 Distance Carp arba analogišką modelį :?:


2009-12-13 11:39
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Užsiregistravo: 2008-12-04 12:22
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Daiwa vs shimano:
For those not so familar with the specs:
Daiwa Tournament Basia 45QD with #5 Spool, 263 yds 12 lb (mono line capacity)
Spool length=45mm
Spool lip diameter=66mm
Weight 495gm or 17.5 oz
Paired with a Breakaway HDX slightly modified, i.e has a Fuji SIC High Frame (HVSG) 30mm gathering guide set 54 inches from the reel stem. Remaining guides are SIC as well. Length = 13' 5 1/2"

Shimano Aero Technium MGS 10000XSA..440 yds 12 lb mono line capacity.
This is Shimano's latest offering and one more looker it is!
Spool length=35mm
Spool lip diameter=76mm
Weight 495gm or 17.5 oz
Paired with a Breakway HDX slightly modified, i.e has a Fuji SIC High Frame 30mm(T-HVSG) gathering guide set 55 inches from reel stem. Remaining guides are SIC as well. Length =13' 5"

Both reels spooled with 20lb Power Pro and 65 lb Power Pro casting leader.

Hatteras cast used in all cases.

Using 8 oz egg sinkers.

Temperate around 90 degrees, high humidity, slight 5mph tail wind.

Three casts with each setup, then, to eliminate rod influence factor, switched rods.

All distances were measured with a range finder.

Cast 1
Daiwa 140 yds
Shimano 147 yds

Cast 2
Daiwa 142 yds
Shimano 149 yds

Cast 3
Daiwa 143 yds
Shimano 150 yds

Switched rods.

Cast 1
Daiwa 147 yds
Shimano 153 yds

Cast 2
Daiwa 153 yds
Shimano 158 yds

Cast 3
Daiwa 142 yds
Shimano 157 yds

The heat, humidity, and walking were taking it's toll. I threw the Shimano a couple more times and equalled the 158 yds, but did not exceed it.....I stopped at this point.

Observations:
I was completely surprised by the results....in all cases, the Shimano out performed the Daiwa, anywhere from 5 to 15 yds. How could this be???? I had always viewed the Basia as top distance getter with braided line. It's the one with the 45 mm spool....how could a 35 mm spool perform better???

My conjecture:
Look at the pictures....The Shimano is first picture (on the left)...The line lay of the Basia is approx 5?? degrees, while the Shimano is much tighter, approx 2?? degrees. This tighter aero wrap allows more line to stay closer to the spool lip as line comes off during the cast, minimizing line friction with the spool lip. Or saying it another way, the Shimano keeps the maximum amount of line closest to the spool lip during the cast. Think about it, if you can minimize the rate at which line drops below the spool lip, you can minimize the friction with the lip and maximize distance. The cotton lay line approach does this superbly with the Shimano.......although the MGS line lay is not nearly as tight as is the lay on the Aero Technimum XT10000 (the heavier metal version). I can only speculate that Shimano engineers found this new design (MGS) to be better for distance, but I cannot be sure other than what I've seen with my test results.

From another perspective, the diameter of the Basia is 10mm less at the lip than the Shimano, hence I would expect the line to come off in smaller coils, introducing less combativeness with the gathering guide. Apparently this is not a factor with the gather guide (30mm) being at 54"/55" from the reel stem. Earlier tests where I used low riders (20mm) or a 30mm gathering guide at 47" did not produce good distance results....too much combativeness with the gathering guide......so this 54/55" with 30mm high frame guides seem to work very well with these reels and the HDX.
Previously I had performed tests with the Basia, matching it against the following: Daiwa Whisker SS3000 (cult, now collector 35mm spool reel), Daiwa Power Surf 5000 (35mm spool), Daiwa Tournament ISO 5000 (35mm spool) (same reel as the Saltiga Surf 5000)....and in all cases the Basia performed best......Hence, I came to the conclusion the difference was the 45mm.......So I was shocked when the Shimano Aero Technium MGS 10000 XSA beat the Basia consistently and unequivocally.

As as side bar, having nothing to do with distance, but I believe the Shimano has 44 lbs of drag compared to 33lb for the basia. The Shimano has a gear ratio of 4.3 compared to 4.1 for the Basia.....with the large diameter spool, the Shimano returns line at a staggering 40+" per handle crank.

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2009-12-14 17:17
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Pragaudziau sezona Daiwa Emblem Pro 5000 http://www.chapmansangling.co.uk/view.p ... oductID=57 Minusu praktiskai vienas , ilgoka frikcija. Pliusai tai patiko perdavimo santikis 5 : 1. Padeda kai reikia greitai pakelt sistema nuo dugno gaudant sunkiomis salygomis ir kai reikia koreguoti uzmesta masala. Dar patiko atbulines eigos galimybe vienu miktuko paspaudimu. Siemet dasipirkau trukstamas rites ir aisku tai buvo Daiwa. :salut:


2009-12-20 15:08
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Užsiregistravo: 2009-06-16 14:11
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Ka manote apie sia rite ar inai turi baitraneri ar ne


2009-12-22 20:16
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Užsiregistravo: 2008-12-11 21:35
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Kiek supratau is aprasymo, baitrunner'io ji neturi.

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2009-12-22 21:26
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Užsiregistravo: 2009-06-16 14:11
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O kuri daiwa turi :?:


2009-12-22 22:20
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Užsiregistravo: 2008-12-11 21:35
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Zinau, kad Regal turi, o daugiau nezinau, nelabai domejausi as Daiwomis. :oops:

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2009-12-22 22:36
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Užsiregistravo: 2009-01-18 17:19
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As gaudau Daiwa Regal X tokiom senutem kad net nerandu dabar internete kokios pas mane jos... tom ritelem jau net gerai nepamenu kiek metu bet kazkas tai apie 10, ir dabar ir kai buvo naujos- labai nelygiai vynioja vala! Ir apalamai kiek turejas riteliu Daiwos nebutinai karpiniu, visom ten kazkas su tuo valo klojimu...daro kalniukus.


2009-12-23 16:49
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Užsiregistravo: 2008-12-11 21:35
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Kazkaip keistai ten tau su Daiwomis gaunasi. As turiu ir dabar parduodu Reagal Plius riteles, buvau pasiemes sau, bet atsirado Shimanai, tai jos nebereikalingos. Buvau spejas ir valus ant ju susivynioti, tai nepastebejau, kad nors ant vienos is 3 butu kazkas blogai. Jokiu kalniuku, jokiu kitokiu defektu. Aisku Shimanai graziau kloja vala, bet ir tie Regalai nera prastai. :scratch:

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2009-12-23 17:39
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Maniskes Daiwos Emblem Pro be priekaistu kloja vala :scratch:


2009-12-24 00:29
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Užsiregistravo: 2008-12-12 20:43
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Gal kas turit SHIMANO ULTREGA 12000 XTA kaip jos minusai -pliusai?Draugas nori pirkt :?


2009-12-24 11:37
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Užsiregistravo: 2008-12-11 21:35
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Ultegros skiriasi tik bugnu dydziais, ar 10 000, ar 12 000, ar 14 000. Jokiu skirtumu, kas liecia pati mechanizma. ;)

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2009-12-24 11:56
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Užsiregistravo: 2008-12-12 20:43
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Ačių ;)


2009-12-24 12:09
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Ar tas galioja XTA ir XTB serijoms atskirai ar jas galima maisyti ir tarpusavyje?
Aciu!


2009-12-24 15:25
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Vladai, XTA ir XTB skiriasi. Pasižiūrėk gi visagaliam internete vien nuotraukas ir jau matysi skirtumus ir gausi atsakymą dėl jų ,,maišymo" (ką turėjai omeny nesupratau). XT-B modelis su vidiniu priekiniu baitruneriu.

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2009-12-28 09:01
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pasirodo visa laika klaidingai galvojau kad shimano ultegra 12000 XTA irgi turi vidini priekini baitruneri, nes is nuotrauku tai labai panasu i XTB


2009-12-28 18:58
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Užsiregistravo: 2008-12-11 21:35
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Neesu visiskai tikras, bet mano nuomone tos raides A, ar B nesprendzia baitrunerio.
Shimano Ultegra 12000 XTA:
Sister version of the XSA but with the much acclaimed Baitrunner Spool System, the XTA is perfect for carp anglers who want to switch from Baitrunner mode to a pre-set drag in an instant. The reel is fitted with Hyper Gear, Large Crank Handle, Positive Bail and Cold Forged Aluminium Spool. Reduced friction and longer casts are the result of Aero Wrap and 2-speed oscillation, and there's a spare spool as standard. A side maintenance port allows quick access for gear lubrication to keep the reel in tip-top condition. Already recognised as one of the most powerful big pit reels on the market when the pressure is on, the new look new spec Ultegra XTA with Baitrunner Spool won't let you down.

* Weight: 780g
* Ball Bearings: 4+1 Roller Bearing
* Line Capacity (mm/m): 0,35-480/0,40-350/0,45-250
* Line Capacity (lb/yds): 12-525/16-385/20-275
* Spare Spool: yes
* Gear Ratio : 4,3:1
shimano_ultegraXTA.jpg
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Ultegra XTB:
# Baitrunner Spool II.
# Aero Wrap II- More Accurate Line Lay.
# S-A-RB- Longer off the Shelf Feel.
# AR-C Spool-Smaller Coils Less Friction.
# Biomechanical Handle.
# S-Guard Fin - Protects the Body from Impact.
# Aero Wrap II.
# 2 Speed Oscillation Cold Forged Gear.
# Hyper-gear.
# Floating Shaft.
# Roller Bearing.
# Shielded A-RB.
# Baitrunner Spool II.
# Waterproof Drag.
# XT-7Body.
# Dyna-balance.
# S-Guard Fin.
# Maintenance Port.
# Bio grip.
# Super Stopper II.
# Power Roller.
# Long Life Bail Spring.
# Positive Bail.
# Biomechanical Handle.
# Cold Forged Single Anodised Spool.
# AR-CS pool System.
# Spare Spool (SA-CF)
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2009-12-28 19:25
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jei kam nors reikėtų banax helicon atsarginių dalių,galite kreiptis :ugeek:.

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2010-01-08 19:48
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Užsiregistravo: 2009-06-23 22:48
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Gal kas naudoja DAIWA TOURNAMENT BASIA CARP QD,kokie butu atsiliepimai?


2010-01-30 21:35
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Užsiregistravo: 2009-06-13 16:02
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na o kas ka manot apie seniena zebco topic


2010-02-08 17:45
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Užsiregistravo: 2009-06-13 16:02
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pas mane yra ritute banax ,kolkas be problemu dirba


2010-02-08 17:47
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Užsiregistravo: 2009-07-25 06:57
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Ar verta imti Ryiobi Proskyer nose power ? ar uz (200lt) galima ir geriau ka gaut pas didmenininkus? :roll:


2010-02-13 07:10
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As isigijau stai sitas http://www.zuklys.lt/katalogas/index.php?categoryID=761 , kiek ziurejau tas kurias tu ziurai, tai jos mazai kuom skiriasi, siaip zuvauti neteko, bet pametyti teko, tai patenkintas likau, nors tai mano pirmosios karpines rites :rabbit: siaip vala graziai kloja palyginus su kitom ritem uz siuos pinigus, nieko pasakyti daugiau negaliu, nors nieko ir nepasakiau [icon_biggring.gif]


2010-02-13 11:16
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Užsiregistravo: 2009-07-25 06:57
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Na Ryobi turiu gal kokias 5rites ir jigavimui menkem ir spiningines, palei kaina tai kokybe gera tik vienas ju minusas kad vediklio guoliukas pradeda zyst :)


2010-02-13 12:05
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